Mooring pins

[bizzard]

Three points

 

A. they are not long enough to be of any good

B. the weld will not hold a narrowboat by their design the weld is pulled apart

C. If you want Rond anchors then buy rond anchors

 

You will just be throwing your money away these are cheap and nasty.

 

EDIT

Just looked at the site they are 'cheap and nasty because they are not mooring pins the are pegs which would indicate to me camping or climbing, maybe a row boat or small yoghurt pot.

Those are called Wrong anchors.

[Maffi]

Those are called Wrong anchors.

Exactly!

[Ex- Member]

Dont you read? They are tent pegs you muppet!!!

 

From the web site

 

Award winning TENT PEG design!!!

 

Features: Pack of Four

 

100% stainless steel construction

Tested to 200Kg.Will not corrode.

 

Specifications:

Made from 1.5mm 304 grade stainless steel channel section.

Satin Finish

Single anchors available on request.

 

Dear oh dear

 

Again your complete ignorance and inability to read simple posts abounds, You really should take a look at what you read and post as it's you I rather, I think is muppet.

 

I was referring to a rond anchor clearly displayed in the link where I asked the question and clearly visible on my post.

 

http://www.norfolkmarine.co.uk/shop-online/rond-anchors-p-5659%7B2%7D16946.html

 

Are you really that dim, or just want an excuse to throw childish insults, I note a post from you was removed the other day from a thread replying to me. May I suggest anger management courses.

 

Those are called Wrong anchors.

 

 

I was referring to these bizzard.

 

http://www.norfolkmarine.co.uk/shop-online/rond-anchors-p-5659%7B2%7D16946.html

 

As in my post!!

[Maffi]

Dear oh dear

 

Again your complete ignorance and inability to read simple posts abounds, You really should take a look at what you read and post as it's you I rather, I think is muppet.

 

I was referring to a rond anchor clearly displayed in the link where I asked the question and clearly visible on my post.

 

http://www.norfolkmarine.co.uk/shop-online/rond-anchors-p-5659{2}16946.html

 

Are you really that dim, or just want an excuse to throw childish insults, I note a post from you was removed the other day from a thread replying to me. May I suggest anger management courses.

I wasnt replying to you.

I was refering to the OP who posted these http://www.deltagrou...ome/a5_products

Please dont bother replying to my posts you are a non-person!!!

Edited May 20, 2013 by Maffi

[bizzard]

Dear oh dear

 

Again your complete ignorance and inability to read simple posts abounds, You really should take a look at what you read and post as it's you I rather, I think is muppet.

 

I was referring to a rond anchor clearly displayed in the link where I asked the question and clearly visible on my post.

 

http://www.norfolkmarine.co.uk/shop-online/rond-anchors-p-5659%7B2%7D16946.html

 

Are you really that dim, or just want an excuse to throw childish insults, I note a post from you was removed the other day from a thread replying to me. May I suggest anger management courses.

 

 

 

I was referring to these bizzard.

 

http://www.norfolkmarine.co.uk/shop-online/rond-anchors-p-5659%7B2%7D16946.html

 

As in my post!!

I realized that. I was alluding to the S/steel thingy. as the ''wrhong anchor''. Rond anchors ''also known as ground anchors'' are brilliant for stamping into softish ground and won't pull out horizontally as long as the mooring rope fixed to it does not have an excessive upward angle to the boat. They will drag a big chunk out of the bank rather than pull out. A sharp sideways twist and upward pull will remove them. I would still carry stakes though as Rond anchors are difficult to stamp into a clinkery or hardcore based bank or towpath. They lay more or less flush with the ground so unlikely to be tripped over.

[Proper Job]

I realized that. I was alluding to the S/steel thingy. as the ''wrhong anchor''. Rond anchors ''also known as ground anchors'' are brilliant for stamping into softish ground and won't pull out horizontally as long as the mooring rope fixed to it does not have an excessive upward angle to the boat. They will drag a big chunk out of the bank rather than pull out. A sharp sideways twist and upward pull will remove them. I would still carry stakes though as Rond anchors are difficult to stamp into a clinkery or hardcore based bank or towpath. They lay more or less flush with the ground so unlikely to be tripped over.

Which, unfortunately, is exactly what they will probably do when used in a soft canal bank

[bizzard]

Which, unfortunately, is exactly what they will probably do when used in a soft canal bank

Only if they've been stamped in too close to the waters edge though. If it drags a chunk out of the bank at a reasonable distance back your boat must have the weight and windage of a cruise ship.

[Proper Job]

Only if they've been stamped in too close to the waters edge though. If it drags a chunk out of the bank at a reasonable distance back your boat must have the weight and windage of a cruise ship.

Agreed, but it's often the case that there's little room between the waters edge and the path.

 

I'm with Richard on this one. Good long pins (length is more important than width), well hammered in at a slight angle away from the boat and the rope secured right close to the ground (don't use the bloody silly ring/hoop at the top of the stake unless it's at ground level)

[MtB]

Which, unfortunately, is exactly what they will probably do when used in a soft canal bank

 

Not in my experience. I use rond anchors regularly to moor both REGINALD and ALDEBARAN. I find them far more secure than ordinary mooring stakes.

 

This is especially the case in soft ground as if pulled REALLY hard, they just drag a slot in the bank few inches long rather than come out like a mooring stake.

 

MtB

 

P.S. DON'T buy from that Norfolk Marine link. What you get is nothing like the photo.

[bizzard]

Agreed, but it's often the case that there's little room between the waters edge and the path.

 

I'm with Richard on this one. Good long pins (length is more important than width), well hammered in at a slight angle away from the boat and the rope secured right close to the ground (don't use the bloody silly ring/hoop at the top of the stake unless it's at ground level)

Ideally they're better suited to rivers ie Norfolk Broads ect for what they're really intended where the Rond or path is at variable distances from the waters edge or pathway non existent at all.

[Ex- Member]

Not in my experience. I use rond anchors regularly to moor both REGINALD and ALDEBARAN. I find them far more secure than ordinary mooring stakes.

 

This is especially the case in soft ground as if pulled REALLY hard, they just drag a slot in the bank few inches long rather than come out like a mooring stake.

 

MtB

 

P.S. DON'T buy from that Norfolk Marine link. What you get is nothing like the photo.

 

Hi Mike, couldn't find them anywhere else, if you know an outlet I would love to know.

 

Ideally they're better suited to rivers ie Norfolk Broads ect for what they're really intended where the Rond or path is at variable distances from the waters edge or pathway non existent at all.

 

Hi Bizzard cheers for the info, I would of course carry pins also, I've only just noticed larger pins are available 22mm diameter and 75cm long, we previously used standart pins which sufficed but certainly bigger would be better.

 

I wasnt replying to you.

I was refering to the OP who posted these http://www.deltagrou...ome/a5_products

Please dont bother replying to my posts you are a non-person!!!

 

 

Hi maffi

 

I believe I owe you an apology, I mistakenly thought your post in reply to wotever was a reply to me, It seems it was me who actually made a pigs ear of it and misread posts and I'll call myself a muppet to save you doing so.

 

I'll let my head clear before posting in the morning.

 

Sincerest apologies again.

 

Julian

[FadeToScarlet]

Far better than any mooring pin (Which just pulls out), A rond anchor digs in and holds. When the 'Swamp duck' races passed the anchors hold, pins just pull out. For a narrow boat use the largest (3/4 inch).

 

 

Firesprite

 

In the Office on today of alldays

Any mooring pin? Mine are 4' long scaffolding poles with a loop welded on top.... pretty secure!

[bizzard]

Any mooring pin? Mine are 4' long scaffolding poles with a loop welded on top.... pretty secure!

If you heat up one end and beat it flat with a big hammer they bang in easier.

[saltysplash]

 

 

 

 

Hi maffi

 

I believe I owe you an apology, I mistakenly thought your post in reply to wotever was a reply to me, It seems it was me who actually made a pigs ear of it and misread posts and I'll call myself a muppet to save you doing so.

 

I'll let my head clear before posting in the morning.

 

Sincerest apologies again.

 

Julian

Greenie for you sir

[ditchcrawler]

Or these

http://www.ansellhandtools.co.uk/marquee.html

or

http://www.blackcountrypins.co.uk/html/pricelist_mp.asp?custid=0&nm=&telno=&eml=&del=&del2=&del3=&cty=&pc1=&pc2=&comm=##

or

http://used-banqueting-furniture.co.uk/index.php?page=item&id=144

[Ex- Member]

Or these

http://www.ansellhandtools.co.uk/marquee.html

or

http://www.blackcountrypins.co.uk/html/pricelist_mp.asp?custid=0&nm=&telno=&eml=&del=&del2=&del3=&cty=&pc1=&pc2=&comm=##

or

http://used-banqueting-furniture.co.uk/index.php?page=item&id=144

 

 

I do like the 3rd on the list, they would hold with just 2/3's hammered into the ground LOL

 

I like the rond version as they're just easier to use, especially if you're only mooring for a short period, you can probably set it in the ground by just stamping on it. I would of course carry bigger pins, but where I could get away with using the rond I certainly would do. Also the nice big loop they have makes it easier for your rope to run through and tie up beck on the boat rather than the pin.

 

I might ask locally if someone can make one of these up slightly larger than the one from Norfolk marine I've read many n/b users are happy with them, but nowt from w/b owners. I reckon they are well suited to the K&A especially Bath to B.o.A which tends to be a lot of cycle track with plenty of verge between the track and canal, or there was several years ago anyway LOL

[MtB]

I would really like to use these as they are clearly far superior to mooring pins. The biggest I can find are 3/4 inch from.

 

http://www.norfolkmarine.co.uk/shop-online/product_info.php?products_id=5659{2}16946

 

In fact the only place I can find on line that sell them.

 

The size looks big enough to me, but clearly digging up this old thread most comments are on a smaller version.

 

Has anyone used these on a wide beam??????????????? we're only 10/6 so not as wide as most.

 

3/4" (6170047) - Length overall 38cm, Fluke length 21.5cm, Weight: 1.5kg approx

 

I bought a pair of these and what actually arrived in the post was nothing like the description. Those that arrived were actually about the same size as the 1/2" version except made from 3/4" bar, and with a ridiculously short fluke. More like 150mm I'd say!

 

The brace welded in place across the bend to reinforce it was about 5" long and welded onto the fluke about half way down preventing you hammering it into the ground. The fluke was straight not curved like in the photo, and the tang on the end of the fluke was just a crude flattening of the bar not a nice broad teardrop shape to grab the earth 9" down, as in the illustration.

 

Most disappointing. I called to complain and they said post them back and they'd refund me. I didn't bother as the postage was about the same price as the ronds, but I decided to get my own made by a blacksmith too, nice large sturdy ones. They look dead easy to me. But I have yet to do it.

 

A rond anchor is easier to set and has far superior gripping power to a mooring stake of similar size in my experience.

 

 

MtB

[Ex- Member]

I bought a pair of these and what actually arrived in the post was nothing like the description. Those that arrived were actually about the same size as the 1/2" version except made from 3/4" bar, and with a ridiculously short fluke. More like 150mm I'd say!

 

The brace welded in place across the bend to reinforce it was about 5" long and welded onto the fluke about half way down preventing you hammering it into the ground. The fluke was straight not curved like in the photo, and the tang on the end of the fluke was just a crude flattening of the bar not a nice broad teardrop shape to grab the earth 9" down, as in the illustration.

 

Most disappointing. I called to complain and they said post them back and they'd refund me. I didn't bother as the postage was about the same price as the ronds, but I decided to get my own made by a blacksmith too, nice large sturdy ones. They look dead easy to me. But I have yet to do it.

 

A rond anchor is easier to set and has far superior gripping power to a mooring stake of similar size in my experience.

 

 

MtB

 

Cheers Mike thanks for the heads up, much appreciated, I'll see what the welders across the way will come up with for me, or maybe a blacksmith would more suitable.

[DHutch]

Any mooring pin? Mine are 4' long scaffolding poles with a loop welded on top.... pretty secure!

I have to admit we take the same approach ourselves.

 

Actually, we have four 3ft lenghts of 35mm stainless steel with eyes on our blacksmith made up for us our of bits he had lying around. They work, used in pairs, if requires, tripled up with a standard pin if its really soft. Standard pins then only being used for overnight stops or if its very hard indeed. And I still like pilling and goat chains if I can get it !

 

Mooring with springs (long ropes going fore-aft) also helps a lot.

 

 

Daniel

[Speedwheel]

A couple of these should keep it secure.

 

http://www.denbigharmysurplus.co.uk/army-stores/Ground-Anchor-Plate-Kit-Forged-Ground-Anchor-Base.html

 

More seriously - the pins on their own make excellent mooring pins. ETA for those that don't know, they are hexagonal or octagonal not round so when you want to take them out, you put a bar (or another pin) through the loop at the top and turn. Because of the shape, they then can be easily pulled out.

Edited May 22, 2013 by Speedwheel

[magnetman]

they are good but these are even better

 

I have 4 of each and the US ones are more secure but more difficult to extract

 

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=120998576122

 

the 'standall' type mentioned by speedwheel are also used as marquee anchors

 

the 'handle' on the us army pins is welded all round on both sides and the point is machined and quite sharp

[magnetman]

I reckon one could make a good rond anchor from a fishermans anchor with one tine cut off but you might need a little bracket welding in to stop the angled part collapsing when hammered

[bizzard]

I reckon one could make a good rond anchor from a fishermans anchor with one tine cut off but you might need a little bracket welding in to stop the angled part collapsing when hammered

That'd be a fluke one.

[magnetman]

That'd be a fluke one.

it was a chance encounter with a bent anchor which gave me the idea

[trackman]

We use "pins" of heavy angle iron about 1m long. They are commonly available from chandlers and have welded on rings and ends cut to a point. They hold our boat reliably in any ground I can hammer them into.

 

Btw, never hang a rope off the ring on any pin, the welds are far too unreliable in my experience. By all means run the rope through the ring, but always ensure it's also around the pin so the pin itself takes the load.